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	<title>Comments on: HydroTech&#8217;s Post-Tennessee Thoughts</title>
	<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/</link>
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		<title>by: kmart</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-413</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:32:24 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-413</guid>
					<description>Remember, our stadium doesn't help us at all as far as noise goes. Some stadiums keep noise in, others let it out; Memorial lets it out.
But one espn announcer noted that this was the loudest Cal crowd he had ever heard, if that counts for anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Remember, our stadium doesn&#8217;t help us at all as far as noise goes. Some stadiums keep noise in, others let it out; Memorial lets it out.<br />
But one espn announcer noted that this was the loudest Cal crowd he had ever heard, if that counts for anything.
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		<title>by: Jason</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-412</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:20:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-412</guid>
					<description>HydroTech: I appreciate your reply. I really react badly to people who accuse other people of not being &quot;real fans,&quot; which set me off. You're right, I'm bringing some other baggage to the table here: there was a guy on The Band Is On The Field last winter who insisted that all the Old Blues who don't stand and cheer should just watch the game on TV. It really set me off, because those guys have been coming through the darkest days of Cal football and the big money they pay (don't look at me, I'm in FF, so I'm in the mid-priced area) essentially funds the entire football program. But you were not being nearly that expansive with your statement.

Change happens slowly, but let me tell you, the alumni section is the loudest and most engaged I have ever seen it. Will they ever do everything the students and recent grads do? Not a chance. It's just never going to be the same intensity as a section full of standing (and, um, drunk) students. But the culture is definitely changing and the Alumni section is stunningly more active than it ever was before. Which is good news!

And TwistNHook, you couldn't be more right. Cal fans are real fans. If they weren't, they'd be rooting for USC or something. You've got to be special to root for Cal. (Cal haters, feel free to interpret that last sentence Ralph Wiggum style if you like.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>HydroTech: I appreciate your reply. I really react badly to people who accuse other people of not being &#8220;real fans,&#8221; which set me off. You&#8217;re right, I&#8217;m bringing some other baggage to the table here: there was a guy on The Band Is On The Field last winter who insisted that all the Old Blues who don&#8217;t stand and cheer should just watch the game on TV. It really set me off, because those guys have been coming through the darkest days of Cal football and the big money they pay (don&#8217;t look at me, I&#8217;m in FF, so I&#8217;m in the mid-priced area) essentially funds the entire football program. But you were not being nearly that expansive with your statement.</p>
	<p>Change happens slowly, but let me tell you, the alumni section is the loudest and most engaged I have ever seen it. Will they ever do everything the students and recent grads do? Not a chance. It&#8217;s just never going to be the same intensity as a section full of standing (and, um, drunk) students. But the culture is definitely changing and the Alumni section is stunningly more active than it ever was before. Which is good news!</p>
	<p>And TwistNHook, you couldn&#8217;t be more right. Cal fans are real fans. If they weren&#8217;t, they&#8217;d be rooting for USC or something. You&#8217;ve got to be special to root for Cal. (Cal haters, feel free to interpret that last sentence Ralph Wiggum style if you like.)
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		<title>by: TwistNHook</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-407</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:46:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-407</guid>
					<description>In regards to &quot;real fandom&quot; I kinda look at it like this:

Real fans root for Cal.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In regards to &#8220;real fandom&#8221; I kinda look at it like this:</p>
	<p>Real fans root for Cal.  </p>
	<p>Period.
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		<title>by: Bears Necessity</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-406</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:02:54 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-406</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Bears Are Roaring (Leftovers from Cal-Tennessee)&lt;/strong&gt;


So I said I&amp;#8217;d write up some analytical thoughts&amp;#8230;but the Cal football blogosphere seems to already be a thousand steps ahead of me. It makes my job easier to focus on the mundane and the sublime, and turn over the analysis to them. Here are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>The Bears Are Roaring (Leftovers from Cal-Tennessee)</strong></p>
	<p>So I said I&#8217;d write up some analytical thoughts&#8230;but the Cal football blogosphere seems to already be a thousand steps ahead of me. It makes my job easier to focus on the mundane and the sublime, and turn over the analysis to them. Here are&#8230;
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		<title>by: oaktownmario</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-402</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:38:54 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-402</guid>
					<description>Anyone have a copy of the game in any format?  I'm willing to pay a reasonable price for it and for shipping. I live in SoCal, but attended the game in person.  Obviously one of Cal's biggest games in recent history.  The power went out in my home while I was gone so my DVR didn't record.  I can exchange e-mail with you if anyone has it.  Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anyone have a copy of the game in any format?  I&#8217;m willing to pay a reasonable price for it and for shipping. I live in SoCal, but attended the game in person.  Obviously one of Cal&#8217;s biggest games in recent history.  The power went out in my home while I was gone so my DVR didn&#8217;t record.  I can exchange e-mail with you if anyone has it.  Thanks in advance.
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		<title>by: HydroTech</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-401</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:35:30 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-401</guid>
					<description>Sean, you're probably right.  I wasn't looking for Best on kickoff coverage at first.  The particular play that I am referring to was his first offensive play when Cal was in its own territory and driving north.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sean, you&#8217;re probably right.  I wasn&#8217;t looking for Best on kickoff coverage at first.  The particular play that I am referring to was his first offensive play when Cal was in its own territory and driving north.
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		<title>by: Sean</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-400</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 06:57:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>For what its worth, i think Best's first play of his collegiate career was the first play of the whole game, where he tackled the guy on the kickoff to start the game.  I'm pretty sure it was him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For what its worth, i think Best&#8217;s first play of his collegiate career was the first play of the whole game, where he tackled the guy on the kickoff to start the game.  I&#8217;m pretty sure it was him.
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		<title>by: HydroTech</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-399</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:19:41 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-399</guid>
					<description>Jason, regarding crowd noise, a friend of mine brought up a good point.  I usually place myself at the top of the stadium where I have few people behind me (I find it much easier to see the field, the plays, and the players from a bird's eye view).  Thus things don't sound very loud because I don't have 50 rows of people behind me.  This is something that I never really considered.  So I will have to retract my comment that things weren't loud.  If anything, I wasn't in the correct position to judge.   My apologies to the fans.  Let’s just say that the casual student fans near and behind me weren’t very loud at all.

And from the near-top of the rim on the east side of the stadium, a quick glance at the alumni really doesn’t distinguish if the alumni are standing or sitting (usually I am counting our players on defense and keeping an eye on substitutions).  I did not know that the alumni were standing more than they had ever stood in the past 30 years.  In fact, I bet most of us younger fans didn’t know that either.  I appreciate you sharing that information because any reports from the west side of the stadium will better complete my mental picture of the game day atmosphere.

Now regarding the topic of a true football fan, I never said that true football fans should do everything the Mic Men say, nor that all fans should stand (perhaps somebody else’s comments are being confused with mine?).  Additionally, my statement did leave an exception for any fan that sits and makes noise while watching the game.  Anyways, I do not wish to quarrel with you over minute details since I have high regards for you as a fellow Cal blogger and a “same-team” friend so I’ll move on to the main point I did not make very clear.  In my opinion, I think real football fans should be loud (with the very obvious exception to those who may not have the physical ability or health to do so).  You do bring up a good point that everyone brings their own expectations to the game, and I will concede that point in agreement.  And actually, that thought did cross my mind as I wrote that sentence.   Nevertheless, my thought process was something along the lines of: if you want to support your team, wouldn’t you be willing to do anything within your legal power to help your team?  The most basic assistance a football fan can give his or her team, besides buying tickets, monetary gifts and mere presence during games, is crowd noise.  How the noise is made, and in what bodily position that noise is made does not matter to me as long as the fan makes noise.   

Nathan, my perceptions of the game’s crowd noise was best stated by your comment that “the noise at the Oregon game was more sustained.”  I felt the same way.  As for the actual loudness of the crowd, as I stated earlier, I was not in the position to judge since I like being up high in the bowl.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jason, regarding crowd noise, a friend of mine brought up a good point.  I usually place myself at the top of the stadium where I have few people behind me (I find it much easier to see the field, the plays, and the players from a bird&#8217;s eye view).  Thus things don&#8217;t sound very loud because I don&#8217;t have 50 rows of people behind me.  This is something that I never really considered.  So I will have to retract my comment that things weren&#8217;t loud.  If anything, I wasn&#8217;t in the correct position to judge.   My apologies to the fans.  Let’s just say that the casual student fans near and behind me weren’t very loud at all.</p>
	<p>And from the near-top of the rim on the east side of the stadium, a quick glance at the alumni really doesn’t distinguish if the alumni are standing or sitting (usually I am counting our players on defense and keeping an eye on substitutions).  I did not know that the alumni were standing more than they had ever stood in the past 30 years.  In fact, I bet most of us younger fans didn’t know that either.  I appreciate you sharing that information because any reports from the west side of the stadium will better complete my mental picture of the game day atmosphere.</p>
	<p>Now regarding the topic of a true football fan, I never said that true football fans should do everything the Mic Men say, nor that all fans should stand (perhaps somebody else’s comments are being confused with mine?).  Additionally, my statement did leave an exception for any fan that sits and makes noise while watching the game.  Anyways, I do not wish to quarrel with you over minute details since I have high regards for you as a fellow Cal blogger and a “same-team” friend so I’ll move on to the main point I did not make very clear.  In my opinion, I think real football fans should be loud (with the very obvious exception to those who may not have the physical ability or health to do so).  You do bring up a good point that everyone brings their own expectations to the game, and I will concede that point in agreement.  And actually, that thought did cross my mind as I wrote that sentence.   Nevertheless, my thought process was something along the lines of: if you want to support your team, wouldn’t you be willing to do anything within your legal power to help your team?  The most basic assistance a football fan can give his or her team, besides buying tickets, monetary gifts and mere presence during games, is crowd noise.  How the noise is made, and in what bodily position that noise is made does not matter to me as long as the fan makes noise.   </p>
	<p>Nathan, my perceptions of the game’s crowd noise was best stated by your comment that “the noise at the Oregon game was more sustained.”  I felt the same way.  As for the actual loudness of the crowd, as I stated earlier, I was not in the position to judge since I like being up high in the bowl.
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		<title>by: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-398</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:05:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Gotta agree with Jason on this one, from the student section, we usually see that a 3rd down brings a hearty little golf clap from the alumni section.  But we noticed this game, they stood up...and yelled...loud...on their own!  It was awesome.  Good job alums (for real).  

My friends and I figured this much: the noise at the Oregon game was more sustained, but the loudest points in this game was a lot louder than at any point in the Oregon game.  After Desean's runback and Worrell Williams' fumble recovery, man, I was in row 54 of the student section and my ears and brain seriously hurt.  It was beyond the threshold of sound and tone; more just like a TV on static at volume 40,000 invading my brain.  Fantastic.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gotta agree with Jason on this one, from the student section, we usually see that a 3rd down brings a hearty little golf clap from the alumni section.  But we noticed this game, they stood up&#8230;and yelled&#8230;loud&#8230;on their own!  It was awesome.  Good job alums (for real).  </p>
	<p>My friends and I figured this much: the noise at the Oregon game was more sustained, but the loudest points in this game was a lot louder than at any point in the Oregon game.  After Desean&#8217;s runback and Worrell Williams&#8217; fumble recovery, man, I was in row 54 of the student section and my ears and brain seriously hurt.  It was beyond the threshold of sound and tone; more just like a TV on static at volume 40,000 invading my brain.  Fantastic.
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		<title>by: Jason</title>
		<link>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-397</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:01:58 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://goldenblogs.blogsome.com/2007/09/02/hydrotechs-post-tennessee-thoughts/#comment-397</guid>
					<description>&quot;The atmosphere of today’s game was average.  The crowd was loud on critical 3rd downs and 4th downs but other than that, the stadium felt sort of flat.&quot;

Were you at the same game I was? That was the loudest I have ever, ever heard the alumni section. We were actually standing for most of the game. That has NEVER happened in the 30 years (seriously, I've been coming since I was 6) I've been sitting in section FF.

&quot;Real football fans don’t go to games to sit there quietly and watch the game. Real football fans go to games knowing they are going to lose their voice from screaming and yelling.&quot;

Forgive me if I'm a little tired of being told who real football fans are, presumably from people who think that they're real fans and lots of other people aren't. We're all different, have different expectations, and bring our own priorities to what we do. I have no problem exhorting Cal fans to be louder at the stadium, but to suggest that some Old Blue who sat through decades of inept teams out of love for Cal Football is not a &quot;real football fan&quot; because they don't stand and scream and do everything the Mic Man tells them to do is ridiculous.

Go Bears!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The atmosphere of today’s game was average.  The crowd was loud on critical 3rd downs and 4th downs but other than that, the stadium felt sort of flat.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Were you at the same game I was? That was the loudest I have ever, ever heard the alumni section. We were actually standing for most of the game. That has NEVER happened in the 30 years (seriously, I&#8217;ve been coming since I was 6) I&#8217;ve been sitting in section FF.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Real football fans don’t go to games to sit there quietly and watch the game. Real football fans go to games knowing they are going to lose their voice from screaming and yelling.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Forgive me if I&#8217;m a little tired of being told who real football fans are, presumably from people who think that they&#8217;re real fans and lots of other people aren&#8217;t. We&#8217;re all different, have different expectations, and bring our own priorities to what we do. I have no problem exhorting Cal fans to be louder at the stadium, but to suggest that some Old Blue who sat through decades of inept teams out of love for Cal Football is not a &#8220;real football fan&#8221; because they don&#8217;t stand and scream and do everything the Mic Man tells them to do is ridiculous.</p>
	<p>Go Bears!
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